So why did I tell him we could talk after he got divorced? Yet now I look at all my male friends and colleagues and think - is he having an affair? Avoid trying to compete with his partner. The way she speaks to you, the way she acts like you're bothering her by showing concern, the way she acts flippant when you've been calling her and worried like why are you calling etcthat is UTTERLY disrespectful and she sounds like an immature 16 year old who's trying to stick it to her parents by being rebellious. Before anybody screams "get real," I'm sure people hook up but I'm just saying not all men are on the prowl, etc. She thinks that she is still single. If were going to start making rules about when who is and isnt allowed to fix the cable, the cables never going to get fixed. We had different work schedules and it created an uncomfortable dynamic in that sense. Say what you will, but there's often quite a bit of truth to jokes. What on earth is his reasoning behind that? If he is going out of his way to see you then it might be because he has feelings for you. It's like you have some sort of guilt complex. are there any red flags you've noticed with married women trying to hit on. . One night drinking and playing Magic? Appropriate boundaries with married peopleRed flags to look for? It's all in the smile. They get on really well. I think, just my opinion, the issue is how you both communicate. He's happily married,we talked alot obout his DW who I don't know, and his DC. I've been reading this forum with interest lately because of finding out recently about a couple of my married male friends who were caught engaging in affairs. Why was the idea of Nonspousal Alone Time so selectively unsettling? What if an attractive area parent brought his or her kid over for a play date while you were at work? Maybe it is just a female perspective. Nobodies going to win at this back and forth anger, remarks and hurt. When I met my husband, he had a good friend at work, a single girl, who is EXTREMELY flirtatious, and at least a little annoying. Another one of the best signs a female coworker is attracted to you is the smile. Partying all night with other men is a boundary you should have let her know she can't cross. BUT this is VERY different. Photo illustration by Juliana Jimnez. i just didn't understand why their friendship couldn't either include me (I asked but wasn't welcome to join them), or other mutual friends, I.e. Fortnite I think having a few drinks with colleagues is normal. Is it fine for my wife to go out drinking with male co-workers for 7 hours. If there's a group i go, but never alone. 14. you! (Yea, I'm such a homewrecker, I know!). So anyways now its about 9am and I have heard nothing back. Why not ask your wife to lunch? . If however you think you do not have any responsibility towards her and that it is up to him what he does, then go for it I guess. Well I just found out tonight that he talked to her online and ask her to have lunch with him sometime so they met up and he paid for her lunch also. Being married doesn't turn off your sexuality, and several married people-men and women-get attracted to others even though they love their spouses. The three of us went out to dinner the first night - no problem. I think you are doing the right thing by broaching the subject before he goes away, get it all out in the open and try to get to the bottom of it once and for all. It becomes a problem only if there is an inordinate amount of time spent alone together that is not business related. Earlier this year, I had to deal with a overly and overtly flirty co-worker; I just turned a blind eye/ear to whatever he said/did. Married men know the power of a charm offensive. That summer we'd go out every weekend to the local. Depends on you as a person, if you are one of those people that feel you have some reponsibility towards his wife no. The fact he won't let you meet and be-friend her is what I find most incriminating. But I do think that sometimes boundaries get blurry and that's why it's good to notice subtle red flags. As a married man with a career, he's likely quite busy - and that's even more true if he has kids. He'd call me at home or try to get me alone with him "just to talk", and it was really hard to constantly tell him I didn't believe in having affairs, including emotional affairs. Communication is very important and a lot of things can go wrong without it. Though I was really out of shape and considered myself unattractive at the time, I had made a lot of money in a single day, far from the norm, but the people I was working with probably thought I made that much regularly, the amount got embellished, and word got around the place. Now such interactions are common, and not suspicious in any legal sensebut can still carry the hint of wrongness. He may also preen, lean in closer, or part his lips.If this coworker seems to be exhibiting these physical signs, then there is a chance that he likes you. A cheater can still walk away with half, and in some cases allimony. He plays like it's a middle school. Last week I was on a business trip with two of my managers, one of whom is a lady. If you would like to change your settings or withdraw consent at any time, the link to do so is in our privacy policy accessible from our home page.. My entire career I've gone out with guys alone, even on business trips, and I've never had a married coworker hit on me or do anything inappropriate. male I take it she will know nothing about it? . nah, Some men do go to the club to dance, listen to music. That seems extreme IMO. It's a sign that this married man is so into you. Is not that a good idea? I'm curious about the male perspective on this. Mike wasn't the only married man I'd been involved with. I told him we could talk after he got divorced. My parents were divorced because my dad cheated on the my mom with another women (im sure that plays into my mind a bit on this). female Marriages were often arranged through families and preceded by formal courtship. Over the course of the 20th century, though, women entered previously male workplaces and outside-the-home dating became common. brokenangel1, August 19, 2014 in General Relationship Discussion, My wife has worked with these two male co-workers for few years. If he directed as much energy at your relationship (taking you out in the evening and focusing on / verbalising your good points and attractiveness) I am sure your rough patch would improve. If that were the case, I could easily see where she would get caught up in actually having a social life and enjoying herself on a night out such that one hour became two, and then three, and then six. Continue with Recommended Cookies. Married men are just like unmarried men.in fact they were unmarried men until they got married. He tries to highlight the similarities between the two of you. As it happens, Stephanie Coontz actually told me she had heard of husbands in the 1950s and 60s forbidding their wives to have repairmen or survey-takers in their homes when they were not there. She added that such attitudes were not widespread even at the time, and that in some cases it was the women who were afraid to have a strange man in the house or even on the porch, rather than the man being jealous. The lesson here, maybe, is that theres never been a clear standard, even an unwritten one, on when and where were supposed to avoid nonsingle peopleand for whose benefit were doing so. No, it's not fine. Said one about the idea of a man he didnt know well socializing with his wife: My reaction would be to act like Im cool with it then insult him constantly when hes not around.. You should trust your DH etc. It's helped me a lot and I hope others as well. The only thing is you should never stand between a married man and his wife. An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. Be diligent and thorough. I'll get my nails done, or I'll maybe hit up a hair salon for a mid-week blow-out. answers from Chicago on October 30, 2008. The needs of the many (namely, his family) will always outweigh your needs. In many parts of the world, of course, ideas about what married people can and cant do are enforced by religious and legal authorities (mostly to the detriment of women), but no one here was suggesting that they were morally uneasy about the mere idea of men and women (or gay men and women and other gay men and women, as it were) being alone together. reply #4 James 9 years ago She has known him for around 2.5 years. Her getting angry, apologies, love and back around again? Am I being a typical insecure guy on this? His words said no but his actions usually said yes. Chill out, Bill! Maybe this was his plan from the start. Waiting outside the bar for your friends is also weird. Those sorts of things are reserved for you boyfriend/husband. I work with a lot of males, and we go out drinking from time to time. He was in my life before my DH and I continue to go out for the occasional drink with him. I can see a good gentleman in you. Maybe he knew you wouldnt like it but needed someone else to speak to if they are as rough as you say. And several people copped to knowing that they wouldnt be worried about their partners time with another man/woman if the interloper in question was notably unattractive. the wife of someone who was becoming too close to a work colleague and going out for drinks after work and even one dinner (!) But something in my gut told me he was acting inappropriately, and sure enough he never got divorced. A woman with two kids told me that the idea of her husband spending precious free time away from the family with anyonefemale or male, sexually compatible or notwho wasnt a longtime friend would make her jealous. you don't need to experience a ton of relationships to get to know acts from a woman because you learn ton of things from one single woman. I tried being super honest with her saying "I guess I don't like my wife out drinking with guys I dont know, without me" and asked her how she would feel if I went out getting smashed with two female co-wrkers from work for 7 hours without her. Its up to us, as always, to keep each other happy by working out the rules on our own. Several said theyd be uncomfortable if their spouse or partner engaged in certain interactions without them and/or felt their spouses might not be happy with them if they did the same. There is a fine line that is socializing and avoidance. I am not sure if she has any respect for you. Id feel some unease. However, if she smiles more at you than other people around you, there may be something there. female Trust me, I know. What age are the parties involved? Feb 4, 2012. Please note: The suggestions and advice offered on this web site are opinions only and are not to be used in the place of professional psychological counseling or medical advice. She said there were many other people there playing "Magic the gathering" (card game I guess) and everyone is bull****ting and just having fun. 2022 Hearst UK is the trading name of the National Magazine Company Ltd, 30 Panton Street, Leicester Square, London, SW1Y 4AJ. One of my friends neighbors recently told him a provocative story about cable repair. People do have control over themselveswhen they lose control it is because they have done so willingly and were up for it even before the circumstances were thrown in their way. . You know, if you're meeting up with friends at a bar and you get there early. Your affair with a married man will kick off with you realizing that you've fallen in love with a married man. 3) She has lost interest in you. Tinder, the popular dating app, is no longer just for hookups. We were colleagues and I didn't have to work on projects closely with him. She's blonde, beautiful, skinny, and he thinks a lot of her, always going on about how attractive she is and how she deserves a nice bloke. You have a strong gut feeling that he will come back. What sort of overlap in schedules does the OP have with his wife? It would be one thing if she was apologetic about it. I guess my question is, keeping in mind this is the first time this has happened, are my sensibilities incorrect? If we leave work at 5 and stay out until midnightor later. Welcome to the Digital Spy forums. Started Tuesday at 03:06 AM, By Haven't slept with the asshole. If someone starts sending you flirty email/IM, then don't play. I believe there are other factors to take into consideration. . Honest men understand the lines, and don't try to cross them, and men trolling for affairs do. No. So she rushes home and yells at me asking what my problem is and that it was a **** move texting her making her feel like a ****ty person and wife. If you have intentions of trying to persuade him to leave his wife, then I think you should leave well alone and look for someone who is genuinely single instead. When you meet up with them, let your feelings known about the inappropriateness of asking a married man out for drinks alone and breaking the rules going over budget to go overboard for said married man's gift. Drinking in someone's home - a woman with several men - husband not present - wife gets pissy when questioned - enough is drunk that the person can't drive and needs to sleep it off. I do not drink but I go to have girl time and chat. btw, i've met men who are sexual predators, and others who just have poor impulse control. When my friend shared this story with me and several others via email, all agreed that there is nothing improper about a married person being home with a Comcast specialist when his/her husband/wife is away. It doesn't mean you should divorce, but you should certainly clarify your expectations and where the boundaries are. What are ways a married person might try to wear down the boundaries of someone he or she wanted to have an affair with? It's a variation of understanding you shouldn't ever put yourself in a 'compromising position', which means spending alone time/talk of any kind with a married man. I asked her who is going to be driving her home if she and they are drunk. He asked me and DC's to stay with his family in the summer. Bigbedroom So draw that boundary that doesn't allow them opportunities to flirt or say/do things that might lead you down that road. How do I know, bad breakup. if they want to spend so much time together alone, they should go out with one another, not him with me! Like a few others have said, the length of time is not necessarily cause for concern (just seems odd given the time of day) but the way it played out wasn't right. I've always said that people should be allowed friends of the opposite sex and especially if the friendship started before you met your partner you have no real right to try and interfere in that friendship. Remember, revenge is a dish best served cold. However, Donni mentioned, her 2am is 5pm to most folks. You can have pleasant/normal chats with men you work with, but then you don't go to lunch alone with them, nor do you spend time on email/phone really cultivating them as friends. cut out the caffeine, and ditched the sugar. To what kind of husband would that be ok? 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In addition, no one should be driving home after two or more drinks. reader, anonymous, writes (12 September 2013): A The Pros and Cons of Using TikTok for Mental Health Advice, The Rise of Goblin Mode Dating Strategy and Its Success in Modern Relationships, Tinder's Mischief Campaign: Redefining the Dating App's Image, Scientists Make Progress in Developing Safer Opioids, Boosting Your Mood Naturally: The Power of Lifestyle Habits, Breaking the Cycle of 'I'll Get Back to You' on Dating Apps: Tips for More Meaningful Connections, Guy suddenly acting distant after heavily pursuing me. That's nuts! She gave it to him. Little did they imagine how quickly 25 years would pass and that today, they'd have four children, two of them old enough to read Boundless for themselves. Finally she calls me back around 9:20 asking me whats up. I told her again it was too late for me to come out. yeah, just don't do anything you wouldn't do in front of his wife, and you're ok. If it's all so innocent and just as friends then there is no reason for it to be kept secret from his wife is there. Actually . I'm curious about the male perspective on this. OP, I do think maybe some of your past experiences are coloring how you interact with your male colleagues. reader, loony89+, writes (12 September 2013): A Draw your line, and stick to it. reader, dougbcoll+, writes (12 September 2013): A Ironically, one of the single men I worked with got fired for a ridiculously blown out of proportion sexual harassment claim while this was going on. He asked her out a second time. I believe there are other factors to take into consideration. Started November 16, 2022, I'm constantly worried about doing inappropriate things that may inadvertently signal to a married man that I'm open to an affair. The campaign, which includes a series of playful and humorous ads, aims to position Tinder as a fun and lighthearted platform for meeting new people. 1 2 Go. ", I reply saying "well you get off at 2am and I got up at 8am this morning for work so yeah.im not even going to be awake then and if I am, no way I will be able to out drinking. Going out for drinks. January 10, 2015 12:01am. Sign You're Dating a Married Man #1: He Wears a Ring Need a sign you're dating a married man? The denial stage Studies show that it's more likely that a woman initiates a divorce than a man. None of the above is compatible with a long-lasting, happy, faithful marriage. It will almost always add fuel to the fire. Add your answer to this question! I told her I don't really like her out drinking with male co-workers but go ahead and do whatever she wants, just be careful. That part sounds especially shady to me. I've never been in this situation before and would appreciate your input. I went to the bar and took my time ordering my drink while observing them before i decided to interrupt them. Melrich and HellFrost, are there any red flags you've noticed with married women trying to hit on you or set up an inappropriate situation to see if you'd go along with an affair? Not Taking Responsibility. But to divorce someone over it? Another married male colleague and I go out quite often for a drink or to run errands or whathaveyou and it couldn't be more platonic, and again, his wife is completely cool with it. Started November 26, 2022, By I find that really strange. If you trust her, I really don't think it's a big deal. It is illegal. Some people that I put the question to, meanwhile, said none of the hypothetical situations described would bother them. It's a confidence booster Flirting with an unavailable man can make you feel good about yourself without any pressure to. He was fired the next day. It really shocked me and has made me feel suspicious around all my male friends now, especially because many men I know are at that mid-life crisis stage. Im sorry but your husband sounds like an arse,if he knows you already feel insecure about there "friendship" then he should put your feelings before anyone elses and end the friendship or like you said at least involve you in it,I think what makes it worse is the fact he goes on about how great she is etc. For years afterward, I was like, what in the hell was going on then? . Started January 9, By Is it not possible that OP's wife doesn't have many friends? I'm very interested in the subtle signals that lavenderdove brings ups, because whether one spends time alone with men for business or not, those are some good red flags to look out for. Not in any specific way. Based on when she got off work, you can't look at the hours of the day because her 2:00 a.m. is other people's 5:00 o'clock. Married men don't tend to tell unless you see their wedding band and bisexuals are everywhere. 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