(crying) For a man who had been a social outcast all of his life, it shouldve been an incredible feeling to finally be accepted; in his new town he opened his very own successful bakery with money obtained through an insurance scam, he and his new wife had a couple of kids, and Robert became a well respected member of society. It was funny though, cause before, when he was getting ready to take me to his cabin, he said that, um, there had been seven other girls before me. Cindy coughs.) CINDY: Um hmm. If she saw blood, well, that would also have made sense as her husband was a hunter. He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Hansen later told investigators that his first kill involved a woman he assumed to be a topless dancer or prostitute. Like a little Datsun station wagon. After we get in the garage we gotta go up these stairs. As was Hansens wont, he wanted to feel things out. FLOTHE: Where were you going to meet him at Saturday? CINDY: Um hmm. Vanessa Hudgens turns in a surprisingly raw and emotionally powerful performance in Scott Walkers suspenseful thriller, The Frozen Ground, as 17-year-old street hooker Cindy Paulson, one of the few victims that managed to escape Alaskas most notorious serial killer, Robert Hansen (John Cusack). FLOTHE: Did he seem pretty sincere about wanting to get with you? Then on the night, and when this I guess, really began, uh, I met her up town after, well, on the Saturday, CINDY:(Inaudible) gave the gentleman my telephone number and asked him to call me. Can you tell us how that all came about? Robert thoroughly enjoyed hunting humans; these ladies were savagely murdered with his favorite weapons: a Ruger Mini-14 and a hunting knife. And hes short. CINDY: Yep. When he was arrested for the sexual assaults, Robert had claimed to have been an innocent man, and she believed what hed told her; shed had her suspicions that her husband may have been a cheater who possibly enjoyed the company of an escort every once in a while, but a woman killer? This led to her becoming known by many as 'Horseshoe Harriet' within the state's medical examiner's office. But then, after that, I could not get over the fact of how amazing this character was and how I had to be a part of it. If youre very sensitive to that sort of thing (I know that much of my audience is ) then you may wish to skip this one. FLOTHE: You also described the outside of the house. 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It was plain. CINDY: Yep. CINDY: Uh huh. FLOTHE: This car that was in the driveway how new or old was this car? Investigators believe that before killing his victims, Robert would often take them to his cabin in the wilderness in his private jet. FLOTHE: Did he point the gun at you at any time? It must also be mentioned that she and the children were constantly insulted and belittled by Robert, and it wouldnt be surprising to learn that he was physically abusive; there may have been some trauma bonding there as well. Some people dont care to dive into it, but its the reason that I do this. Hansen would kidnap the women at gunpoint, tie them up, then fly to remote areas to kill them. FLOTHE: Ah. The avid hunter would strip his victim naked (often in subzero temperatures) and simply set her free. Hansen grew up in Iowa, the son of immigrant bakers. The Big Timber, Mush Inn, I dont, sorry, I cant remember which one. One night she picked up a small, skinny client with a pock-marked face who wore glasses and spoke with a stutter. CINDY: And then after I looked I recognized him. FLOTHE: Youre trying to get out? (pause) Its going to have to be a little bit vague on that. He was also an avid hunter. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. CINDY: About ten minutes. Investigators have said that in some instances Hansen would rape the women but return them to Anchorage, warning them not to contact authorities. But it would be simple psychopaths are master manipulators and first class liars. This is Sunday night or early Monday morning? Hansen said that victim is the woman known to police as Eklutna Annie, a roughly 20-year-old brunette whose body was discovered in 1980 by electric workers repairing a power line outside Eagle River. "As far as Hansen is concerned, this world is better without him." As shown in 'The Frozen Ground,' Cindy Paulson was Hansen's only victim who got away while he was trying to load her into his aircraft. Hansens Truck & Datsun Close-up (copyright Leland E. Hale). Survivor Cindy, who is a married mother of three today. We are all the same. I mean, man, what he did to me, he had to kill me. He seemed really like a pretty good guy. You see, when we was driving I observed everything. CINDY: Yep. Your email address will not be published. CINDY: Like a new Seville. Be sure and look at all six. Your email address will not be published. Have you heard anything about a sequel to Journey 2 The Mysterious Island? (pause) When did you first see this man, Cindy? She is known for her incredible homemade bars that she shares with riders while they enjoy the scenic views of nature along the trail. He offered me $200 for a blowjob in the car, cause I wouldnt go to his place. Robert Hansen confessed to killing 17 women in the 1970s and early 80s and after the murder 30 years ago, led authorities to her body near a lake in the north of Anchorage. OK, well he was taking me from being downstairs to the airport, to go get in his plane, the seat was not in the back seat, it was in the trunk, cause he kept going from the trunk carrying things to fit in the airplane. [Installment Three]. Jack Halcombe (Nicolas Cage), who convinces her to help him bring Hansen to justice. And I was just running. I personally loved it. He liked to take these women home with him, and once a victim had entered this killers lair she was pretty much doomed; he would take her down to the basement, often to a secret soundproof room where he already had chains rigged up. I was just I was hysterical and shocked, didnt know what to do, he was chasing after me with a gun. Hudgens: Honestly, its even better than I thought it was going to be. Daily News reporter Sean Doogan contributed to this story. And, um, he took me to his house on Old Harbor Road in Muldoon. FLOTHE: And then you overslept and consequently didnt meet him. This is Installment Four of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. I absolutely adore him. CINDY: No. FLOTHE: Can you describe it a little bit more to me? Looking at picture number five, is there anything different about him as you saw him, compared to the picture, Robert Hansen Police Lineup Photo Like a station wagon. FLOTHE: About what time? And he said well he was gonna start getting his moneys worth. (Cindy Paulson), Cindy Paulson They pushed me every day to get reactions out of me on the camera that I wouldnt have done if it wasnt for them taking me to those places. If hed just murdered those women, they couldnt have turned him in, and he wouldnt have been in trouble not committing violent crimes was never an option. FLOTHE: You think if I showed you some pictures of some cars later on you might be able to pick it out? In this installment, Cindy provides additional information about how she met and ended up with Robert Hansen. Construction of the trans-Alaska oil pipeline ignited nightlife in the city blocks surrounding his bakery. He invited me afterwards to go to dinner with him and a couple of his friends because he felt so bad about putting me through that. FLOTHE: OK. And when he pulled up, did you just go get in the car, or did you talk to him Cause this motherfucker wasnt getting away with it. Though Cindy was able to describe her attacker and his home in great detail, it didnt make any difference. Scott did an amazing job at keeping a very steady uproar and pace. He had rolled the window down and I opened the door and I sat down and I talked to him. And he had pulled out his wallet and showed me a whole bunch of money Roberts father, an overbearing man who never did care to have a decent relationship with his son, expected young Robert to be busy at work in the familys bakery whenever he wasnt in school. He joined the ADN in 2004. So, just the fact that I put myself in this situation, in this character, to go through these emotions and make myself feel all that I felt is an interesting thing psychology-wise. Vanessa Hudgens turns in a surprisingly raw and emotionally powerful performance in Scott Walker's suspenseful thriller, The Frozen Ground, as 17-year-old street hooker Cindy Paulson, one of. Thats not all he said, of course. FLOTHE: Do you feel that he was going to hurt you? FLOTHE: I have its kind of a picture book with different types of guns in it, OK. Would you take a look through that picture book and see if you see a gun that might be similar to the one that this man had? The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. A MAJOR PHILANTHROPIST. CINDY: (interrupting) It was an older car. He joined the ADN in 2004 and was also an editor and investigative reporter at KTUU-TV. So he shows up Sunday night, then. FLOTHE: Where did you go when you did it in the car? That opens the door to me being accessible and fully embraced and thats powerful. And then up here on my hand, right in the middle. A woman accused Hansen of rape in 1971, even as he awaited trial in a separate incident for following a stranger to her Spenard home and trying to kidnap her at gunpoint, according to Anchorage Daily News reports at the time. Im sorry that these photos needed to be included, but we really cant discuss this particular serial killer without speaking of hunting. And it was just the usual chitchat, you know, asking, you know, got in the car and asked, how you doing and so forth and whether I was looking for a good time and so forth. CINDY: Yeah. He takes me up the stairs to the garage, I mean, to the house. Youve taken on some very interesting, challenging roles lately in different genres like this film and also Gimme Shelter. CINDY PAWLCYN Award-winning chef, cookbook author and founder of a dozen restaurants, Cindy Pawlcyn reveals a few of her secrets to starting a successful bus. Hudgens: Its important for me because its easy for people to make snap judgments about young women in her position. * I strive to be as concise as possible when it comes to facts as theres no telling what an article may be used for. Im a little confused about when the airplane seat got in and out of the car. CINDY: Yeah, it had a really long barrel. People either loved it or they hated it. Wanted to put some distance between them, in time and space, just in case somebody had seen them together. FLOTHE: What did he ask you? The others were never located. CINDY: On Fourth and Denali. When will it be released? The date on her grave marker is April 24, 1984, one day off the date the body was found. Sure, no problem, Im like, fine, no problem. Hey, no problem, you know. Darla eventually obtained a teaching job in Russia, and as far as I can tell she remains there today: the kids made lives for themselves somewhere in the American Midwest. How fitting! FLOTHE: And what color were his boots? Glenn had been involved in the investigation of three murdered women; these victims had obviously been connected, they had all been discovered at least partially nude, theyd been shot with the same type of firearm, and buried in a shallow grave. CINDY: Um, he had me chained around my neck for a time. CINDY: The same person. Sadly in a roundabout way Robert brought upon his own two children the same thing which had traumatized him, his kids were bullied mercilessly for their fathers evil acts. FLOTHE: Six in the evening? FLOTHE: Thank you. Cindy Paulson was just 17 years old when she moved to Anchorage Alaska. Cindy later recounted that Robert had offered her $200 bucks for oral sex, and that hed pulled a gun on her just as soon as she stepped inside his vehicle; the teen was driven back to Roberts home where she was chained to a beam by her throat, raped, and tortured for several hours. FLOTHE: Oh and you saw a sign that said Dead End? And who showed you those pictures? CINDY: It was a big revolver gun, like a police gun. CINDY: Uh huh. FLOTHE: At this time, so I know what youre talking about, cause I have not been in the house, Cindy Police suspected the real death toll was even higher. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. When police were able to interview her, she explained her grizzly tale in detail. I was surprised that I could do it and then go home and be able to feel removed from it. Now her body has been exhumed from from the cemetery at Anchorage Memorial Park with the hope that DNA testing and facial reconstruction will lead to her being identified. Despite his growing rap sheet, Hansen escaped notice when Anchorage women soon began to disappear. I understand youre in early talks for The Kitchen Sink which has been described as a monster genre mash-up. CINDY: Uh huh FLOTHE: And when did you hear from him again? Only reason I know was cause I was layin there. (laughs) Its my monster of sorts. (rustling sound as Flothe shows his gun to Cindy) Did it have that or was FLOTHE: If you can move your hand away from your face a little bit I want to make sure we get it on the tape recorder, OK? CINDY: All right. They told Hansen they had seized his map marked with 17 locations, spots that they believed indicated the locations of bodies. Required fields are marked *. Hudgens: I thought it was pretty spot on. 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