When the vehicles pulled alongside one another, the man behind the wheel of the Ford Focus claimed that he was an undercover police officer and threatened violence against his pursuers. Of course, that doesnt mean he did it. He had planned this murder for awhile, picked out location, placed objects near site all planned out, possibly catfising involved. Tyson pig slaughtering plants are present in or near each location. If thats not what it is, then what on Earth is it? Lots of cops, mayors, attorneys, public officials are Freemasons. I believe the killer is sending a message but I do not believe it is just about getting his rocks off. Or can do so once I am up and running. Nothing else he said is contradicted in the photos. Journalist ine Cain and attorney Kevin Greenlee have been reporting on the 2017 double homicide of Libby German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, for almost two years on their smash-hit podcast The Murder Sheet. One wonders why on Earth LE is going all the way back to other states to check out suspects committing crimes with hatchets. The MO of the Delphi Killer was much closer to the MO of the Evansdale killer, hence this is why LE now believe that BG killed the Evansdale girls too. If the truth of this crime comes out, this will be the weirdest, most insane double murder of the 21st Century, no question about it. I see it a little differently. Thank you very much. However, we continue to believe he is basically correct in his leaks despite his recent flakery. People think this is the work of a lone man, one who is a loner, maybe transient but having some type of tie to the area. This ties in with one of the worst rumors of all, that one girl was stabbed her stomach/abdomen and she was partly disembowled. Our private group is clearly the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Internet by far and has been since it was founded four years ago in 2017. This could be nothing, but I thought Id mention it. There is a small fee of $20 to join, which includes lifetime membership. IP boots are waterproof and extend up to the knee. Talmadge Jasper Lafayette, IN murderer who killed his ex-girlfriends boyfriend. - Stunning new documents describe the scene where two young girls were murdered in Delphi, Indiana, five years ago. I also imagine Seven Bridges has been used by hunters both in-state and out of state and campers as well. Yeah, this stuff, especially the Gematria numbers stuff, best belongs in the private group if you can afford it. I can send you a marked up screenshot. They certainly didnt have a damn clue on how to secure a crime scene! It is possibly a ruse, or perhaps a doppelganger, but there appears to be an older brother, or relation, who is frequently being confused with Mr. X in videos and descriptions I see on the internet. They sacrifice them to satan. In fact, between May and December of 2016, Altmeyer had attempted to lure dozens of underage girls into his car; at times, actually succeeding. We believe she was catfished using the Young BGs photo and claiming to be a 19 year old boy. That alibi is a lie. Let me know if you are interested in joining the private group, the best Delphi sleuthing group out there. If his clothes were covered with blood, how the Hell did he get out of them and into clean clothes two hours after the murders? Which means they think he took photos or video of his crime. She told this woman all of the very same things that she told me. JM also has LE connections, and she was the one who gave us testimonies from two LE officers, a sheriff in a nearby country and a detective working in Narcotics. She appraised the Flora home prior to it catching fire, and then her granddaughter & Abby died later. Recall also at the very beginning of the crime when LE said, Parents, be careful of what your kids are doing on social media. They would only say that if there was a social media tie-in to the case, which also suggests catfishing. I think not. Theres hardly anything known about that case because surprise surprise LE isnt saying shit about it to the public. 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Furthermore if BG knew information like that, then I guarantee that RL or a member of the Mears family or someone associated knows exactly who did this. Putting the sequences together, we get 666. It is for those reasons that we started suspecting that the barn was used in the crime. I believe this killer to be very ritualistic, punctual specific to job. When she approached, offering help, the young man told her that he was waiting for his dad to pick him up. For me, the motive is abduction/rape/possible trafficking. Also the theory that a hatchet was used is still an unconfirmed rumor. Are you a member of the sleuthing team on the private site? But I got some good ones to show ya. Timothy Holmes the of the pentagon pedophile task force has several mentions with proof of his research on the subject specific to Indiana. This is the one element of the case Ive never been able to reconcile the fact that LE called off the search before midnight on the 13th. Furthermore, there is a rumor that BG took photos or videos of the crime and sent them to Abbys cellphone soon after the crimes. The Evansdale trail actually wraps around a few streets after Myers Lake, crosses a river, and continues south. Was also the last person Karenna McClerkin was seen with prior to her disappearance. 2-13 again. With the mystery surrounding this case, people have begun to speculate whether or not certain convicted criminals whose names make the news are actually tied to the Delphi murders. INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) The lawyers for Richard Allen, the suspect in the 2017 Delphi murders, want the names and addresses of every person that has talked to investigators about this case. Perhaps it is, perhaps it isnt. Thats almost a book! Poster Y: Oh, one of the women who was very close to the scene was involved with talking to RL the blogger, I heard. She spoke to me and TMA, and she told her all of the same things she told me. The sets of bodies were difficult to see unless you were almost right on top of them. An ejected .40-caliber shell found . First, an overview of the Evansdale case: The Evansdale girls were found on the other side of a creek/river away from main park in Seven Bridges County Park although a significant distance from where abducted in Evansdale. Hoping he will show a pattern that gets this evil sick person away forever or death penalty. This alibi held for three years and 10 months until the officer committed suicide in Delphi, Indiana on December 20, 2020, only five months ago. She also recorded a man saying 'down the hill'. We feel pretty certain about that. Fascinating material. I got this from a Facebook group from which I am a member in good standing. Thank you so much! They snapped a photograph of the man and recorded audio in which he was heard telling them to go 'down the hill'. In Delphi, apparently on the day Libby and Abby were killed, RL had been gone all day, and the Mears were out of town. Who knows? These guys are just serial killer psychos who kill people for kicks, fun, and especially fantasy. 2-13 again. Just a thought. Instead I am saying this might be part of it. This entire case is like a ragged old crocheted sweater. The fact that LE states this on this important document means that they think this is important. We can also reveal that the following information can be gleaned from this document: LE is looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, and/or film. He is a poser and John Kelly notes that these are the worst serials of them all who are way off on the psychopathic spectrum. At any rate, the woman who was walking her dog (Is that the woman who saw BG on the south side of the bridge at 12:30 PM?) Here's what we've learned and what remains unclear: (, Girls were posed in both cases, in a sexual manner in Delphi and possibly in Evansdale also. They didn't mention that Kline was already in custody and had admitted to using the account to lure other minors into sending him nude photographs. In fact, just today, 6/14, they were blown up by the military because they were used for human trafficking, sex trafficking, pedophilia, and human experimentation by these satanists. Check out a topographic map of the area. The search party woman, Search Party Woman A or SPA, is in her 40s and is a typical housewife type, the last person you would think would lie or flake about anything. So although the evidence is probably there, it may not stand out as such until they have a good idea who to look at. That tattoo really had me fooled. Freemasons worship Satan and they have Satanic rituals at times of high unholy days (like Christians have high-holy days). Thats not a comprehensible motive to most of us, but thats what it is. It looks like he exited up towards the CPS building though, so didnt exit towards the cemetary, though they are both in the same direction. So now the suspect has a solid alibi, but the alibi cannot be broken because the person providing it is dead. F is 6. Trails are located at both Monon High Bridge in Delphi and Meyers Lake in Evansdale, where it is known as the Evansdale Nature Trail/Cedar Valley Nature Trail. Gabriel Ellis Kokomo, IN man incarcerated for child pornography and drugs. If this guy really is some upstanding citizen in society with a profession/family/etc. He would appear to be beyond reproach with an occupation like that. Hes a loner for sure. So thats very good backup. What does motive have anything to do with it? Some dirty, dirty shit is going down in Delphi. If the Mears deer blind rumor being used as a lookout for BG earlier in the day has any truth to it, then it narrows it down even further to someone who knew they could use that blind and not be seen/encountered. The mans identity was revealed as 58-year old Jeff Altmayer, who lived in Ankeny, Iowa. Thing is, I am told that the SPA and SPB have never met each other. He lived only 2 miles away up the creek to the east. This man is a sick fuck. All attempts to investigate the social media angle via Snapchat have come up empty. Ive always wondered if this was truly the kill zone and the girls were moved creekside after the search was called off. They kill for sexual gratification out of sexual sadism and they are almost always psychopathic. They just arent talking out of fear or blackmail or something along those lines. If her explosive claim is even partially true, then not only is BG an impulsive idiot, but to have still killed the girls after the fact shows how truly brazen he was. 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While I think its ridiculous to believe BG must have been a local, theres no question he spent time in both areas if hes responsible for both killings. What I generally discount are the revenge theories. Im a more forward looking person. Note: Very long, runs to 28 pages. 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We all make mistakes. I love how quick people are to dismiss the notion that Evansdale could be connected to Delphi. Luciferians do all kinds of satanic worship rituals with babies and small children. I dont have it anymore! In 2013, he kidnapped two girls in Dayton, Iowa, not far from Evansdale. I got interested in Delphi about a year and a half ago. Perhaps she was carried from the top of the ridge to the crime scene and then killed there. Theres nothing there. He also said the BGs clothes looked familiar, that is, looked like clothes that Mr. X had worn. If the crucifix was upside down, of course that means satanic worship. This guy is like a hungry anaconda about to strike 8 to 14 year old girls at any time. Yet they stayed on him for several miles, pursuing him out-of-town until police were able to show up and arrest the man. I believe he packed those plush toys and dolls to the scene. Not sure of MBs connection to Nate Miller, if any. Rumor says she was almost decapitated. If so, we dont have much time till this subhumans next attack. Based on the nature of Libbys wound, his clothes would have been covered with blood. Robert Lindsey is getting fed BS by someone else it sounds like. Well, when a suspect is served with a search warrant, apparently the suspect is allowed to retain a copy of the document. He photographed or videotaped the crime. To further muddy the waters, the Reddit moderator you mention has said that Abigail survived the attack because the killer did not check to see that she was dead. If you think that interpretation is strange and we are just seeing things, note that our interpretation of what looks like a knife stuck into either the girls shoulder or the log next to it has been confirmed by a female search party member. Can you solve this trivia riddle? Allen, who is also known as Ricky Allen and Rick Allen, is 50 years old and lives in Delphi, about five minutes from the murder scene. I often ponder the possibility that no children died in all of these cases if either house fires or murder.hear me out. Knives are used extensively in those type of plants. 'I was unaware that the Indiana state police were going to use my photos prior to them releasing all that information. We have been told that LE also went back to another state to check out another criminal who had been committing crimes with a hatchet. Thats all the motive they need. The large teddy bears legs swing out from behind his left hip as he steps forward. I am so glad to see you are back! The roommate said that BGs walk was a dead ringer for Mr. Xs walk. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. Of course! Libbys phone was found at the scene, but nothing could be obtained from it because it was destroyed. Leaker backed up that rumor. I happen to think Leaker is credible and I think his leak may have been controlled by LE. So, we will beg to differ with the Reddit poster above, who by the way, we actually like. I assume that kills all the blood and DNA. DELPHI MURDERS: INDIANA MAN REPORTEDLY IN CUSTODY IN CONNECTION WITH 2017 KILLINGS OF 2 GIRLS Authorities announced Monday the arrest of Richard Allen, center, for the murders of Libby. Also there are frequent references to barns or shacks by these same folks. Any possible torture type wounds seem to be inflicted postmortem. A lot of my friends never joined. We havent been able to confirm it. (. Delphi murders:Review the case through 5 years of reporting Initially, the media filed a motion to intervene in November, requesting the court to unseal Allen's probable cause affidavit, his . So the same guys who are extra hush come out and say Oh weve done a detailed investigation on both homicides, and we can tell you for certain the two murders are not connected, and these geniuses take them at their word 100%, face value? But many questions still remain around the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14. Problem is that SPA did not just talk to me. Or at least a connection to pig packing plants in general. They almost had to know what LE knew at the time and what they were/werent doing. Also, at one point as he walks, the legs of that large teddy bear are just visible swinging out behind his left leg (the leg on our right as viewers). DELPHI MURDERS: WITNESS TIMELINE (MINDSHOCK TRUE CRIME PODCAST) MindShock 21.3K subscribers Join Subscribe 181 7.1K views 2 years ago DELPHI MURDERS: WITNESS TIMELINE (MINDSHOCK TRUE CRIME. For years, LEs main suspect in the Evansdale murders has been Michael J. Klunder. A probable cause. They had other suspects they were looking at for Evansdale. In addition, keep in mind that it is not just Leaker that is saying that Mr. X is the key suspect. I myself followed a rat hole about one particular suspect, EA, who I was sure had done it. There is now a rumor from JM above and now from a second source that a hatchet was used in the Delphi Murders. This was confirmed also by the search party member. We have a photo of that. The bloody clothes not being seen by witnesses are a mystery for sure. The most sensible thing to do would be to set them on fire. Good for you! MH is Micah Hudson. Some people like to watch football, others like videogames, macrame, or baking, and some people like to kill other people. I also believe that he is smack dab in the middle of the investigation and that is why it has gone nowhere and there has been a lot of misinformation spread about this case. Tried to review some LE-provided information regarding the crime scene w/o speculation. Abigail Williams and Liberty German, both 14, died on February 13, 2017. Ive never heard of LE doing anything like that before. You are also helping to fund the site. Delphi, Indiana, police have been notoriously tight-lipped about the killings of 14-year-old Libby German and 13-year-old Abby Williams since the first news conference after the girls were found dead in February 2017. (WLS) -- There is a new push for information four years after police found teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams dead, in Delphi, Indiana. After over five years, a man has been charged with murder in the deaths of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. Need to be delicate here but good friend of mine who the woman knows was following along this convo messaged me and said that none of that is true about the dolls and provided backup proof. failed . Published 2:05 AM PST Nov. 15, 2022 Updated 12:41 PM PST Nov. 29, 2022. Is this why people believe the girls were not killed where they were found? 3. Libby's grandfather Mike Patty added: 'Thisis not something anyone should go through. He was stunned when police issued the photos in December without his knowledge, and said he had no idea that his images might be involved. I think they actually held the presser from his church. Chadwell is not considered a suspect in the Delphi Murders. Keep up the great work! A sign in Delphi, Indiana, for Abby Williams and Libby German, who disappeared Feb. 14, 2017 and were found dead near a hiking trail. How does one go about joining? Are you a member of our private group? Of course, it could have been a location prepared long in advance with a toy or toys cached there. Thank you for this, Paul. Quite possible. Each crime occurred perhaps less than a mile from a four-lane highway. Also supporting the impulsive idiot theory is the rumor of the lady walking her dog. In the Delphi and now Evansdale cases, your info makes the most sense. In November of 2016, in the small town of Onawa, Iowa, a little over 200 miles to the west of Evansdale, two elementary school girls returned home in a hurry. Small, inexperienced (in major crimes) police forces were first responders in both crimes. -BG says, Hey, followed by Down the hill. (Obviously we know he said guys.). On Feb. 13, 2017, the two best Girls were at local parks but in an area where they were separated from other visitors. Black SUV with stickers on back window observed by Kelli German when dropping off girls. As far as an Evansdale connection, Im open to either yes or no on that. In both cases, they had been stalked and taken off public trails before the bodies were found. Transco Railway products/services outlets exist at both locations or very close (Logansport). I agree with you on all points made. And in addition, as noted in other posts, we now have a detective in Indians who is feeding us information. He is def a weirdo. You also know a Hell of a lot about this crime. Ive always suspected that the perp(s) have some serious protection looking out for them on several levels. Its not 4-H for adults; its serious shit. She is not my friend at all, but unlike most such folks, she is actually somewhat fair-minded. I will get a notice from PayPal. For some reason, I thought you were female. Cadaver dogs also searched Rons home and general property. The abduction of two children at once in broad daylight was such a rare offense that the FBI had only recorded roughly 15 similar incidents between 1974 and the date that the cousins went missing in July of 2012. Could you please have a look? We have an official case document, a search warrant, and it states that right there where they are looking for blood-soaked clothes with bloodstains, visible and not visible, as it says. impression that BG had the girls cross the creek before killing them. They call the guy DP and he is a person who was at the bridge/trails at the time and has been considered an eye witness. This is what we now believe. Which would not be possible if the phone was smashed up by BG. He was fired from his job as a police officer and they ransacked his apartment. That is the mark of the Devil. A hatchet? Bottom line is these serials simply kill people because its fun. This may also tie into persistent rumors that one girl was in the early stages of pregnancy. Richard Allen's bail hearing has been set for Thursday, June 15 at 8:30 a.m. in Carroll County. That could well be a hatchet. Remember when the FBI profile came out about BG? Richard Allen, 50, is charged with two counts of murder in the 2017 deaths of 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German in Delphi, Indiana. 2. I am willing to make a donation if its required. As a clinician, I think you understand the psychodynamics at work here. Flora Fire Killed four young girls in November 2016. Im being facetious but these guys just do this stuff because it gets them off, no other reason. LE is looking for a gun in order to do ballistics tests on it. He did it for the God-like feeling of power it gave him. If hes this evil mastermind then he was calculated and knew 100% that his path was clear. At the bottom its nice guys wanting to serve their communities, at the top its pure evil. DELPHI, Ind. They would only be looking for that if they thought BG had photos or video of interest in the crime. Also he may have carried the bear down at night. One of those suspects was John Miller, convicted in 2018 for a 1988 murder of an 8-year-old girl. If my teenage daughter was potentially lost in a wooded area, I would personally turn over every single leaf and twig in there until I found her or die trying. Let us know if you wish to join the private sleuthing site where we can go into a lot greater detail than we can here. Again, some dirty, dirty shit is going down in Delphi. The remains had been somewhat shrouded in an isolated area of the park where foot traffic wasnt a huge concern; in fact, investigators stated that the remains were placed in a location that someone would have had to have almost been on top of to notice. Its an old rumor about Abby surviving a long time and trying to crawl away. I guess my Dad instincts run high with this. The dams held back the water with no releases for too long and now its starting to crack. Yes! The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. Arrested for violating probation and incarcerated for one year. Please note that we have not been able to verify this rumor at all, so it is completely unverified. They even use the church for Satanic Rituals in the evenings. Problem is he is contradicted by the photographs where you can see for yourself that both girls are spreadeagled. 1. If the new rumor is correct, then knives were plunged into trees at both crime scenes! I used to volunteer with a search and rescue group. The Mears Barn was included in the search warrant for Ron Logans property. Hi Rambo, see above. Mel B reveals her Spice Girls bandmates knew about the 'abuse' she suffered while she was married to Stephen Do YOU know how much a flooded home costs to repair - and is it covered on your insurance? Both crimes occurred in tiny rural towns. Im not saying this is what he was getting at. It is the typical psycho motives of any psycho serial killer. From the beginning, a lot of people suspected it was someone that either worked at the girls school, or had intimate knowledge of the school schedule and knew the girls would be off school that day because of a Snow Day day off. After viewing the video of BG again, I should correct myself and be more precise. 10 AM presser needs to hurry n get hereIm sure theres more then one killer and if KK is singing like a canary, then RA will be toopedo ring could be coming down finally this state sucks. By Jennifer Smith, Chief Reporter For Dailymail.Com, Published: 14:25 GMT, 10 February 2022 | Updated: 13:13 GMT, 13 February 2022. The photos are very compelling but one thing doesnt make sense: You say both girls were unclothed and positioned the same way, except Liberty had a bra on. Appearance close to first sketch. It certainly explains some nutty things about this case that make no sense. I personally place a lot of credibility in the DE texts. Best of all, much of our information is via solid sources such as search party members, official case documents, and LE sources close to the investigation. This is a younger woman in her 30s. If your thing is killing kids, imagine the time/effort someone goes through to become a doctor or a lawyer, but that level of focus/dedication applied to planning something like kidnapping/killing two children. It was a fake account and the pictures belong to a model and cop who lives in Alaska. Dubious. I have heard that it was truly a shocking scene to witness. It was February 13, 2017 when 13-year-old Abby Williams and her best friend, 14-year-old Libby German, went on a walk on Delphi's historic trails. If you would like, you may email me for more information. Ive heard rumors of everything from a massive drug ring to child/sex trafficking going on right under the nose of area officials, up to and including their own involvement. Do we have any evidence that the phone was smashed or intact? In some stills of the video the items on his back appear to be plush toys. Yes. Appearance close to first sketch. 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